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Post by Douglass on Nov 24, 2008 20:31:08 GMT -8
townhall.com/columnists/DineshDSouza/2008/11/24/when_science_points_to_godContemporary atheism marches behind the banner of science. It is perhaps no surprise that several leading atheists—from biologist Richard Dawkins to cognitive psychologist Steven Pinker to physicist Victor Stenger—are also leading scientists. The central argument of these scientific atheists is that modern science has refuted traditional religious conceptions of a divine creator. But of late atheism seems to be losing its scientific confidence. One sign of this is the public advertisements that are appearing in billboards from London to Washington DC. Dawkins helped pay for a London campaign to put signs on city buses saying, “There’s probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life.” Humanist groups in America have launched a similar campaign in the nation’s capital. “Why believe in a god? Just be good for goodness sake.” And in Colorado atheists are sporting billboards apparently inspired by John Lennon: “Imagine…no religion.” Read more at the link above
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Post by richard on Nov 25, 2008 5:53:07 GMT -8
God created science, too.
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Post by Stan on Jan 2, 2009 6:55:48 GMT -8
Man created God in his own image and culture
there will be no cloud bowling or 72 virgins after death
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Post by googoodan on Jan 2, 2009 10:45:32 GMT -8
Just because man has figured out the basics of God's creation doesn't mean God didn't create. The Big Bang Theory and the Theory of Evolution both disprove themselves, scientifically. Has anyone else noticed that everything from the smallest atom to our very solar system is comprised the same way - a central object (a nucleus, sun, whatever) with other objects (electrons, protons, planets, satellites) supporting or being supported by that central object? Everything created by God is equally intelligent. Because man discovered that the common cold comes from a virus, man no longer believes that the common cold is a work of God. Then man forgets the actual people mentioned in the Bible who are buried in actual tombs that are still around from those times. I've seen Abraham's tomb in Iraq. I've seen Paul's tomb in Rome. I didn't see Peter's tomb in the Vatican, but it is there. I've been inside the dungeon where Paul was imprisoned and baptized other prisoners. All the people and places from the Bible are well documented. People have always and will always miss the forest for the trees.
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Post by cabbage on Jan 4, 2009 4:45:33 GMT -8
Just because man has figured out the basics of God's creation doesn't mean God didn't create. The Big Bang Theory and the Theory of Evolution both disprove themselves, scientifically. Has anyone else noticed that everything from the smallest atom to our very solar system is comprised the same way - a central object (a nucleus, sun, whatever) with other objects (electrons, protons, planets, satellites) supporting or being supported by that central object? Everything created by God is equally intelligent. Because man discovered that the common cold comes from a virus, man no longer believes that the common cold is a work of God. Then man forgets the actual people mentioned in the Bible who are buried in actual tombs that are still around from those times. I've seen Abraham's tomb in Iraq. I've seen Paul's tomb in Rome. I didn't see Peter's tomb in the Vatican, but it is there. I've been inside the dungeon where Paul was imprisoned and baptized other prisoners. All the people and places from the Bible are well documented. People have always and will always miss the forest for the trees. So, you're saying we shouldn't take the bible literally unless we're talking about the dead guys?
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Post by cabbage on Jan 4, 2009 4:47:11 GMT -8
God created science, too. Science is a big subject...I think he must have had an R and D team.
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Post by The Ghost on Jan 4, 2009 20:45:28 GMT -8
Religion and Science explain two complete different things. Science is the study of how things work. Religion is the study of why things work.
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Post by joeyd on Jan 7, 2009 17:29:55 GMT -8
Just because man has figured out the basics of God's creation doesn't mean God didn't create. The Big Bang Theory and the Theory of Evolution both disprove themselves, scientifically. Has anyone else noticed that everything from the smallest atom to our very solar system is comprised the same way - a central object (a nucleus, sun, whatever) with other objects (electrons, protons, planets, satellites) supporting or being supported by that central object? Everything created by God is equally intelligent. Because man discovered that the common cold comes from a virus, man no longer believes that the common cold is a work of God. Then man forgets the actual people mentioned in the Bible who are buried in actual tombs that are still around from those times. I've seen Abraham's tomb in Iraq. I've seen Paul's tomb in Rome. I didn't see Peter's tomb in the Vatican, but it is there. I've been inside the dungeon where Paul was imprisoned and baptized other prisoners. All the people and places from the Bible are well documented. People have always and will always miss the forest for the trees. So you've seen Peter, Paul and Abraham's tombs. The bible says they existed and I have no reason to doubt it. Millions have seen King Tut's tomb too. The difference is that you say the first 3 had magical powers of some sort, but Tut didn't, but I say none of them had magical powers. Joe
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Post by joeyd on Jan 7, 2009 17:33:50 GMT -8
Religion and Science explain two complete different things. Science is the study of how things work. Religion is the study of why things work. Religion is the biggest rip-off scam perpetrated on the human race since the first smart but lazy caveman got the bright idea to declare himself the keeper of some secret and sacred knowledge from some unknown being(s) so other cavemen could do all his work for him and the laggard could sit around all day and perform ceremonies and make chants. We have been stuck with it ever since. Joe
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Post by joeyd on Jan 7, 2009 17:35:21 GMT -8
Religion and Science explain two complete different things. Science is the study of how things work. Religion is the study of why things work. Physics and Natural Law cover both the how and why. Joe
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Post by richard on Jan 7, 2009 17:41:25 GMT -8
Religion and Science explain two complete different things. Science is the study of how things work. Religion is the study of why things work.
Religion is the biggest rip-off scam perpetrated on the human race since the first smart but lazy caveman got the bright idea to declare himself the keeper of some secret and sacred knowledge from some unknown being(s) so other cavemen could do all his work for him and the laggard could sit around all day and perform ceremonies and make chants.
We have been stuck with it ever since.
JoeYou're really on a roll tonight, aren't you? I love to read your "I hate religion I hate Christians" screeches...it lets me know that something is stirring up inside of you, and you don't like it. Keep up the good work, Joe.
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Post by chre on Jan 7, 2009 18:08:58 GMT -8
that's an interesting article. ultimately though, i think that there will likely never be empirical evidence for or against a god. that's what faith is, the belief in something that cannot be or has not been empirically tested. the fact that there are no facts (re: god) is the reason that i'm not a christian, but also the reason that i'm not an atheist. also, Just because man has figured out the basics of God's creation doesn't mean God didn't create. The Big Bang Theory and the Theory of Evolution both disprove themselves, scientifically. i wish you would elaborate here! do you have a better theory than these two?
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Post by googoodan on Jan 7, 2009 20:20:46 GMT -8
Just because man has figured out the basics of God's creation doesn't mean God didn't create. The Big Bang Theory and the Theory of Evolution both disprove themselves, scientifically. Has anyone else noticed that everything from the smallest atom to our very solar system is comprised the same way - a central object (a nucleus, sun, whatever) with other objects (electrons, protons, planets, satellites) supporting or being supported by that central object? Everything created by God is equally intelligent. Because man discovered that the common cold comes from a virus, man no longer believes that the common cold is a work of God. Then man forgets the actual people mentioned in the Bible who are buried in actual tombs that are still around from those times. I've seen Abraham's tomb in Iraq. I've seen Paul's tomb in Rome. I didn't see Peter's tomb in the Vatican, but it is there. I've been inside the dungeon where Paul was imprisoned and baptized other prisoners. All the people and places from the Bible are well documented. People have always and will always miss the forest for the trees. So you've seen Peter, Paul and Abraham's tombs. The bible says they existed and I have no reason to doubt it. Millions have seen King Tut's tomb too. The difference is that you say the first 3 had magical powers of some sort, but Tut didn't, but I say none of them had magical powers. Joe Yeah, none of them had magical powers. Who said any of them did?
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Post by googoodan on Jan 7, 2009 20:27:21 GMT -8
that's an interesting article. ultimately though, i think that there will likely never be empirical evidence for or against a god. that's what faith is, the belief in something that cannot be or has not been empirically tested. the fact that there are no facts (re: god) is the reason that i'm not a christian, but also the reason that i'm not an atheist. also, Just because man has figured out the basics of God's creation doesn't mean God didn't create. The Big Bang Theory and the Theory of Evolution both disprove themselves, scientifically. i wish you would elaborate here! do you have a better theory than these two? Big Bang Theory - Answer this for me - how does nothing expand to everything? Evolution - Animals can not evolve from other animals. Humans get 23 chromosomes from each parent. Therefore, humans can only reproduce humans; houseflies can only reproduce houseflies; chimpanzees can only reproduce chimpanzees, etc. All animals have a very direct lineage and therefore, it is scientifically false that all animals evolved from a single celled organism. There is a reason they are still both called theories.
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Post by joseph0501 on Jan 7, 2009 22:45:57 GMT -8
One of the reasons I believe there is a God is because of the Big Bang Theory and the universe itself. Where did the universe come from? Where did the ultra-dense mass of elements that became the Big Bang come from? They didn't just appear out of nowhere did they?
Is it so far fetched to think that a omnipotent being created the universe and everything in it?
I know I may be ridiculed, but I for one think so.
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