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Post by george1861 on Feb 11, 2013 7:08:07 GMT -8
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Post by msguide on Feb 11, 2013 17:51:06 GMT -8
He is a good Pope. I'm praying for the Church to elect someone who is strong in faith and doctrine.
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Post by george1861 on Feb 12, 2013 7:05:44 GMT -8
1st time we've had a living ex Head of the Soviet Union & a living ex Pope, or will shortly.
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Post by jayohen on Feb 13, 2013 17:50:47 GMT -8
Using the old & infirm standard, I see another candidate for retirement... But seriously... This appointed for life stuff is a joke, we wind up with senile judges. It's like asking a drunk if they're ok to drive...once in a while, one will admit they're over the limit, but usually it's more like, "no, it's all good, I'm fine", The Pope just handed in his keys, good for him. Here's hoping they don't pick that guy from Africa, Cardinal Peter Turkson of Ghana, he came out in defense of the Ugandan efforts to kill gays as a defense of culture.
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Post by msguide on Feb 13, 2013 18:17:47 GMT -8
Here's hoping they don't pick that guy from Africa, Cardinal Peter Turkson of Ghana, he came out in defense of the Ugandan efforts to kill gays as a defense of culture. I, too, hope not. Besides being just wrong, this would abandon the staunch Catholic pro-life standard. To my mind, this smacks of Islam, which does believe in killing infidels and Muslims who disobey the Koran. What I am concerned about is the Catholic Church giving up their doctrine to make itself more marketable. I am not Catholic, but I think churches in general, and the Catholic Church in particular, need to hold fast on their doctrine.
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Post by jayohen on Feb 13, 2013 19:36:26 GMT -8
Here's hoping they don't pick that guy from Africa, Cardinal Peter Turkson of Ghana, he came out in defense of the Ugandan efforts to kill gays as a defense of culture. I, too, hope not. Besides being just wrong, this would abandon the staunch Catholic pro-life standard. To my mind, this smacks of Islam, which does believe in killing infidels and Muslims who disobey the Koran. What I am concerned about is the Catholic Church giving up their doctrine to make itself more marketable. I am not Catholic, but I think churches in general, and the Catholic Church in particular, need to hold fast on their doctrine. I'm not Catholic, but I have some pretty deep experience within that religion....(Grandparents, some uncles & cousins, as well as a couple of very long term relationships)...that faith seems to bend in a big way to cultural variations...the worship of idols in central & south America...a sin to some, the Church looks the other way. Contraception is a sin as far as The Church is concerned, but here's the kicker; with the repeated use of birth control pills, condoms, diaphragms & etc, each use is a sin, skip that and have an abortion (if needed) instead, it's only one sin instead of a sin every however often a couple might be getting it on. The Church has been pretty good about hiding its pedophiles-transferring them from parish to parish to keep the trouble causers hidden...all while hiding billions of dollars from all around the world in Rome as each little church or diocese is sucked dry and cries poor when a legal settlement comes up. So all that said, what doctrine do they need to adhere to? Child Molestation? Hypocrisy? A convenient religion? What exactly is it?
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Post by msguide on Feb 13, 2013 20:40:44 GMT -8
J it's late in my time zone. Like I said, I'm not Catholic. I can't really answer your questions. What I suggest you do is look up some of the many Catholic resources online and come back to say what you've learned. We can talk about that if you want to. I come from more of an evangelical background and attend a renegade Anglican Church.
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Post by jayohen on Feb 13, 2013 21:08:19 GMT -8
J it's late in my time zone. Like I said, I'm not Catholic. I can't really answer your questions. What I suggest you do is look up some of the many Catholic resources online and come back to say what you've learned. We can talk about that if you want to. I come from more of an evangelical background and attend a renegade Anglican Church. I'm a little confused, you said... What I am concerned about is the Catholic Church giving up their doctrine to make itself more marketable. I am not Catholic, but I think churches in general, and the Catholic Church in particular, need to hold fast on their doctrine. and I was wondering what you meant. You admitted you aren't of that faith, but you continued by stating they need to hold fast to their doctrine...just seems like you had some specifics about the Holy Roman Catholic Church that meant something to you....That last comment of yours that I'd quoted suggested that you knew of The Church's doctrine and there was something the papists had that might be good for the rest of us.
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Post by msguide on Feb 14, 2013 4:03:50 GMT -8
I agree with them on several things and disagree on others. I just feel that the Church, for all its faults, is still the greatest force for good in the world. If the presence of God is diminished in daily life, then I'm afraid the little moral restraint left in society will disappear altogether.
What I don't want to see is the church compromise in its adherence to the tenet of faith in Jesus Christ as the only means of salvation. I do not want to see them accommodate Islam. They are not the same, nor are they roads to the same place. They are different. They have different histories, different sacred writings and different/opposite beliefs all the way around.
The negative things you mention are not codified doctrine. They are things that happen when authority is abused. A secularist can be an abusive hypocrite as much as person of faith. The difference is, a person of faith has a remedy for their sin, the secularist is just stuck with theirs.
Not willing to fight about this. That's my opinion, and I can have it if I want to.
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Post by jayohen on Feb 16, 2013 18:18:34 GMT -8
Anybody notice that he announced his resignation on Feb 11? That's the birthday of the Patron Saint of Quitting
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Post by Maxflex on Feb 16, 2013 20:35:18 GMT -8
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Post by jayohen on Feb 16, 2013 21:52:09 GMT -8
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Post by Maxflex on Feb 17, 2013 5:40:14 GMT -8
So sorry to hear about your Saint. Yes, I know it is hard when someone you might admire and respect disappoints you. But when did she make Saint Hood in your eyes? Still there are other so called Saints out there who are very disappointing in there lack of knowledge and actions. Much less one whose actions goes against what many see as a core beliefs. My apologizes to george1861 and msguide for letting a topic on which honest views were being discuss get sidetrack into one persons disrespect of your beliefs.
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Post by jayohen on Feb 17, 2013 9:56:03 GMT -8
could you please tell me when President Obama said the quote you seem to be attributing to him?, If he didn't say it, could you please tell me who did say it. (By using an image of a person and a statement in quotation marks, you are implying that person said that quote)
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Post by msguide on Feb 17, 2013 10:43:34 GMT -8
What drives me crazy is how people who lack knowledge of sacred writings or disciplined religious study feel qualified to judge people who choose religious faith as a way of life.
And it really drives me crazy when people base morality on their own personal convenience or how they feel that morning and then judge others according to their own standard. That is just totally ridiculous. When does a single person with no credibility get to be moral authority for everyone else.?
And I doubt very much if the saints care whether people mock them in the 21st century or not. Many were mocked and martyred in their own time, so our words don't matter so much to them. My church holds that saints are examples to us, not objects of worship.
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