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Post by Maxf1ex on Oct 2, 2012 3:17:15 GMT -8
Obama workers remind people (people who watch the news that is) that in the up coming debates Obama has not had much time to prepare himself due to needs of state.
~chuckle~ It is little slips like this that can really hurt him with the thinking public.
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Post by george1861 on Oct 2, 2012 14:32:05 GMT -8
Too busy preping for "The View"
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Post by msguide on Oct 2, 2012 17:49:51 GMT -8
If he had a record to run on, there would be no need for preparation. People are not stupid. They know their dollars don't go as far as they did four years ago.
If it wasn't for Where's George? my bills would go nowhere at all.
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Post by jayohen on Oct 2, 2012 21:53:13 GMT -8
If he had a record to run on, there would be no need for preparation. if he had a record to run from, he'd be your guy. is he pro choice or anti choice? pro healthcare for all or anti healthcare for all? was he a good businessman or was he divested? flip flop flip flop flip flop then there's his 2nd banana, he's supposed to be the finance policy wonk, he doesn't have time to explain it to you...is that because he can't be bothered telling the rabble what he's going to do to them or does he know that some group of them is too stupid to understand? you're buying a pig in a poke People are not stupid. They know their dollars don't go as far as they did four years ago. actually a bunch of them are stupid...even though average tax load on taxpayers is at a 60+ year low and they're convinced they're paying more than ever...on top of that they think going back to the system that tanked the economy will make things better. Yeah, people are stupid. and answer this for me, their plan will raise taxes on everybody but the rich, you're mad about your tax load now? Who's stupid? |
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Post by Maxf1ex on Oct 3, 2012 3:52:54 GMT -8
if he had a record to run from, he'd be your guy. is he pro choice or anti choice? pro healthcare for all or anti healthcare for all? was he a good businessman or was he divested? flip flop flip flop flip flop then there's his 2nd banana, he's supposed to be the finance policy wonk, he doesn't have time to explain it to you...is that because he can't be bothered telling the rabble what he's going to do to them or does he know that some group of them is too stupid to understand? you're buying a pig in a poke I know it was not asked of me, but if we are talking about Obama … Pro choice, with the taxpayers picking up the tab. Pro healthcare, again with the tax payers picking up the tab. Businessman? I do not recall Obama being one. If he was it was not really talked about where I could see it. Other then take from the rich and give to the poor (not much of a plan in my view) what has Obama come up with? Before being voted in, Obama was a pig in a poke. He is no longer that, we know what the “poke” is now. actually a bunch of them are stupid...even though average tax load on taxpayers is at a 60+ year low and they're convinced they're paying more than ever...on top of that they think going back to the system that tanked the economy will make things better. Yeah, people are stupid. and answer this for me, their plan will raise taxes on everybody but the rich, you're mad about your tax load now? Who's stupid? 60+ year low? Funny I am paying more. (or will be when Obama does not agree to keep the Bush tax cuts, or even his own reduction on taxes withheld for S.S.) Are you using the same math he uses for the unemployment figures? ~chuckle~ We only have 9% unemployment because only 9% are looking for work, but we have 27% not working. So, along those lines (Obama math) More people (due to not working) are paying less tax, but the working people are paying more in tax. As for people being stupid, you might have a point. Things started going quickly downhill once the people thought Obama would be elected. Once elected, it went downhill quicker. As for what works ~chuckle~ people have eyes, ears and brains. Many can see where taking money from the work of others and giving to the people who "work" the system to get by does not work for "real" progress. Still, it is funny that Obama's group is making the claim he has little time to prepare for the debate due to matters of state, but finds time to be on TV shows. |
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Post by msguide on Oct 3, 2012 16:26:17 GMT -8
Obama is not pro healthcare. He is for the government managing how people pay for health care.
Obama is not pro choice. He is anti conception and pro abortion. He thinks babies are punishment. If Obama wanted people to have choices, he would not be for government managing how people make their choices. He is so pro-abortion and anti conception that he would violate the First Amendment free exercise clause to do it.
And Obama has never had a real job that I can find. Nobody really knows what a community organizer is. There certainly was not a discernable product of his work. He wasn't much of a senator. He voted "present" when he bothered to show up for work.
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Post by msguide on Oct 3, 2012 17:36:39 GMT -8
It looks to me like Romney is doing very well. Good eye contact, good numbers, and good style.
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Post by jayohen on Oct 3, 2012 18:42:55 GMT -8
It looks to me like Romney is doing very well. Good eye contact, good numbers, and good style. Yeah Kool-aid. Mitt's highlight, "I like Big Bird" while he's announcing he'd cancel PBS. Kind of brings back the "I like to fire people" comment..... Mitt the job creator! |
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Post by george1861 on Oct 3, 2012 18:46:54 GMT -8
It looks to me like Romney is doing very well. Good eye contact, good numbers, and good style. Yeah Kool-aid. Mitt's highlight, "I like Big Bird" while he's announcing he'd cancel PBS. Kind of brings back the "I like to fire people" comment..... Mitt the job creator! Govt funding of PBS is 5%. If a company is going down the drain you prune it so it can com back. |
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Post by msguide on Oct 3, 2012 19:16:57 GMT -8
One of the best things Romney did is make numbers relevant. Obama threw around billion and trillion in the abstract like he knew what that meant. Romney made the numbers come alive when he said XXX per family or $1 for every $15.
Numbers generally do not speak to me. If someone can get me to listen to them talk about numbers, they have accomplished something. Romney did that.
I'm libertarian right down to the ground. I do not want to like Romney, but his message tonight resonated a little better with me.
I think the one opportunity Romney missed was not giving the president's points about his grandmother a historical context. When he talked about his grandmother becoming president of a bank, Romney should have said, "And she did that during the Reagan administration, correct?"
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Post by jayohen on Oct 3, 2012 19:43:36 GMT -8
his message tonight resonated a little better with me. I think the one opportunity Romney missed was not giving the president's points about his grandmother a historical context. When he talked about his grandmother becoming president of a bank, Romney should have said, "And she did that during the Reagan administration, correct?" yeah go for it distort (that's a polite word for lie) and attack, she became a manager in 1962 and got the VP job in 1970.  What on earth did Reagan have to do with any of that? |
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Post by msguide on Oct 3, 2012 20:41:22 GMT -8
No, meaning she did it on her own without the help of government. Romney should have given it a historical context [insert time period here] to say people have been succeeding for all of history witht government help.
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Post by msguide on Oct 3, 2012 20:45:10 GMT -8
The president was on his heels all night. Even the liberal spinners had to say it. With the exception of Donna Brazile who can't be trusted not to spin even a grocery list.
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Post by Maxf1ex on Oct 4, 2012 4:44:53 GMT -8
I do wish I had not watch the debate. Both are losers as far as I can tell.
Still Romeny (my point of view) had one good line, but I think Regan said it before.
As for when Obama talked about his grandmother becoming president of a bank, all I could think of was "she did not build that". With out government paving the way for her she would have been nothing. After all, if Obama thinks that others not earning (by there own works) it on there own, neither then could his grandmother.
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Post by msguide on Oct 4, 2012 8:40:02 GMT -8
Max, what were you listening for that you didn't hear? I'm curious, because I do not like the governor, but I thought he did quite well in presenting his message.
I'm not sure what the President hoped to accomplish. He has never seemed to me to be quite in touch with his positions or to own them very well at all.
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What on earth did Reagan have to do with any of that?