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Post by Douglass on Jun 2, 2009 19:29:41 GMT -8
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Post by Maxf1ex on Jun 3, 2009 2:29:59 GMT -8
What is Polyamory?
Strictly translated, polyamory means "many loves"; a polyamorous person is someone who loves more than one significant other, spouse, boy/girlfriend, or lover. It's not about swinging, open marriage or sex in general; however, it does include open dyads/couples, intimate tribes/clans/networks, group relationships/marriages, triads, quads, septets...
If you can think of a committed loving relationship that includes more than one person, then you've got a decent grasp of the concept. It's not a casual escapade; the work needed to be in an honest, growing, healthy relationship rises exponentially when you increase to more than a standard couple. Thus, poly people are often very seriously committed to personal honesty, relationship integrity, and trust.
Of course, the benefits also grow exponentially. Love is infinite. Act like it.In following one of the links I stumble across this little gem. When they speak of tribes/clans I can not help but remember a part of our past and the spoils of wars. Like when it was OK for the American Native to kidnap members of other tribes and fore them to work or become sex slaves. For them and there time in history I understand it. But this does not mean we need such actions today. This would bring us to the point of "many loves". I always thought you could love someone without meaning sex was involved. Am I wrong in this? But yes, when (not if) civil unions (no matter what they may be called) come to pass, then this will shortly follow.
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Post by joeyd on Jun 3, 2009 10:43:58 GMT -8
I can also find you a website advocated human/animal marriage, human/inatimate object marriage, and "self-marriage"-- (my guess would be that the last one would include alot of whacking off). Any degenerate fool can start a website nowadays, you should know that, Douglass. Joe |
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Post by Maxf1ex on Jun 3, 2009 14:13:07 GMT -8
I can also find you a website advocated human/animal marriage, human/inatimate object marriage, and "self-marriage"-- (my guess would be that the last one would include alot of whacking off). Any degenerate fool can start a website nowadays, you should know that, Douglass. Joe True, there are many different web sites out there. But it is also true that granting homosexuals the special rights they are asking will just lead into other groups requesting the same special treatment. |
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Post by Douglass on Jun 3, 2009 19:47:30 GMT -8
I can also find you a website advocated human/animal marriage, human/inatimate object marriage, and "self-marriage"-- (my guess would be that the last one would include alot of whacking off). Any degenerate fool can start a website nowadays, you should know that, Douglass. Joe First came traditional marriage. Then, gay marriage. Now, there's a movement combining both—simultaneously. Abby Ellin visits the next frontier of nuptials: the "triad." Less than 18 months ago, Sasha Lessin and Janet Kira Lessin gathered before their friends near their home in Maui, and proclaimed their love for one another. Nothing unusual about that—Sasha, 68, and Janet, 55—were legally married in 2000. Rather, this public commitment ceremony was designed to also bind them to Shivaya, their new 60-something "husband." Says Sasha: “I want to walk down the street hand in hand in hand in hand and live together openly and proclaim our relationship. But also to have all those survivor and visitation rights and tax breaks and everything like that.” “I want to walk down the street hand in hand in hand in hand and live together openly and proclaim our relationship,” says Sasha Lessin. “But also to have all those survivor and visitation rights and tax breaks and everything like that.” Maine this week became the fifth state, and the fourth in New England, to legalize gay marriage, provoking yet another national debate about same-sex unions. The Lessins' advocacy group, the Maui-based World Polyamory Association, is pushing for the next frontier of less-traditional codified relationships. This community has even come up with a name for what the rest of the world generally would call a committed threesome: the "triad." Unlike open marriages and the swinger days of the 1960s and 1970s, these unions are not about sex with multiple outside partners. Nor are they relationships where one person is involved with two others, who are not involved with each other, a la actress Tilda Swinton. That's closer to bigamy. Instead, triads—"triangular triads," to use precise polyamorous jargon—demand that all three parties have full relationships, including sexual, with each other. In the Lessins case, that can be varying pairs but, as Sasha, a psychologist, puts it, "Janet loves it when she gets a double decker." In a triad, there would be no doubt in Elizabeth Edwards’ mind whether her husband fathered a baby out of wedlock; she likely would have participated in it. There are no statistics or studies out there, but according to Robyn Trask, the executive director of Loving More, a nonprofit organization in Loveland (yes, really), Colorado, dedicated to poly-education and support, about 25 percent of the estimated 50,000 self-identified polyamorists in the U.S. live together in semi-wedded bliss. A disproportionate number of them are baby boomers. (Paging Timothy Leary: Janet Lessin claims on her Web site that she's able to travel astrally.) forums.heraldtribune.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3941081465/m/3601043778 |
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Post by joeyd on Jun 4, 2009 14:01:08 GMT -8
I can also find you a website advocated human/animal marriage, human/inatimate object marriage, and "self-marriage"-- (my guess would be that the last one would include alot of whacking off). Any degenerate fool can start a website nowadays, you should know that, Douglass. Joe True, there are many different web sites out there. But it is also true that granting homosexuals the special rights they are asking will just lead into other groups requesting the same special treatment. What are these "special rights" that the homo marriage crowd are asking for that you keep on mentioning but never explain? Joe |
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Post by joeyd on Jun 4, 2009 14:02:49 GMT -8
I can also find you a website advocated human/animal marriage, human/inatimate object marriage, and "self-marriage"-- (my guess would be that the last one would include alot of whacking off). Any degenerate fool can start a website nowadays, you should know that, Douglass. Joe First came traditional marriage. Then, gay marriage. Now, there's a movement combining both—simultaneously. Abby Ellin visits the next frontier of nuptials: the "triad." Less than 18 months ago, Sasha Lessin and Janet Kira Lessin gathered before their friends near their home in Maui, and proclaimed their love for one another. Nothing unusual about that—Sasha, 68, and Janet, 55—were legally married in 2000. Rather, this public commitment ceremony was designed to also bind them to Shivaya, their new 60-something "husband." Says Sasha: “I want to walk down the street hand in hand in hand in hand and live together openly and proclaim our relationship. But also to have all those survivor and visitation rights and tax breaks and everything like that.” “I want to walk down the street hand in hand in hand in hand and live together openly and proclaim our relationship,” says Sasha Lessin. “But also to have all those survivor and visitation rights and tax breaks and everything like that.” Maine this week became the fifth state, and the fourth in New England, to legalize gay marriage, provoking yet another national debate about same-sex unions. The Lessins' advocacy group, the Maui-based World Polyamory Association, is pushing for the next frontier of less-traditional codified relationships. This community has even come up with a name for what the rest of the world generally would call a committed threesome: the "triad." Unlike open marriages and the swinger days of the 1960s and 1970s, these unions are not about sex with multiple outside partners. Nor are they relationships where one person is involved with two others, who are not involved with each other, a la actress Tilda Swinton. That's closer to bigamy. Instead, triads—"triangular triads," to use precise polyamorous jargon—demand that all three parties have full relationships, including sexual, with each other. In the Lessins case, that can be varying pairs but, as Sasha, a psychologist, puts it, "Janet loves it when she gets a double decker." In a triad, there would be no doubt in Elizabeth Edwards’ mind whether her husband fathered a baby out of wedlock; she likely would have participated in it. There are no statistics or studies out there, but according to Robyn Trask, the executive director of Loving More, a nonprofit organization in Loveland (yes, really), Colorado, dedicated to poly-education and support, about 25 percent of the estimated 50,000 self-identified polyamorists in the U.S. live together in semi-wedded bliss. A disproportionate number of them are baby boomers. (Paging Timothy Leary: Janet Lessin claims on her Web site that she's able to travel astrally.) forums.heraldtribune.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3941081465/m/3601043778More weirded-out fascination on other peoples' sexual lives by Douglass. Joe |
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Post by Maxf1ex on Jun 4, 2009 15:55:41 GMT -8
True, there are many different web sites out there. But it is also true that granting homosexuals the special rights they are asking will just lead into other groups requesting the same special treatment. What are these "special rights" that the homo marriage crowd are asking for that you keep on mentioning but never explain? Joe To married someone of the same sex, till recently it was not even thought that anyone would want it. So since it has never been a right, something about it must be special. After all, marriage is between a man and a woman. |
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Post by seeingeyelobster on Jun 4, 2009 16:42:13 GMT -8
What are these "special rights" that the homo marriage crowd are asking for that you keep on mentioning but never explain? Joe To married someone of the same sex, till recently it was not even thought that anyone would want it. So since it has never been a right, something about it must be special. After all, marriage is between a man and a woman. NH Governor John Lynch signed a bill into law yesterday that defines marriage as between man-woman, woman-woman, or man-man. It goes into effect on 1/1/2010. |
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Post by Maxf1ex on Jun 4, 2009 17:14:34 GMT -8
To married someone of the same sex, till recently it was not even thought that anyone would want it. So since it has never been a right, something about it must be special. After all, marriage is between a man and a woman. NH Governor John Lynch signed a bill into law yesterday that defines marriage as between man-woman, woman-woman, or man-man. It goes into effect on 1/1/2010. So he change the law (since he had to sign a bill to do this) to make something that was once unthinkable of to become a law. Hopefully the people of that state had the choice of voting on it or not. |
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Post by brad9883 on Jun 4, 2009 17:59:57 GMT -8
Again, so long as they're not hurting anyone, consensual adults should not be disallowed from engaging in whatever sort of relationship they want, even if I personally find it morally objectionable.
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Post by seeingeyelobster on Jun 4, 2009 18:00:15 GMT -8
NH Governor John Lynch signed a bill into law yesterday that defines marriage as between man-woman, woman-woman, or man-man. It goes into effect on 1/1/2010. So he change the law (since he had to sign a bill to do this) to make something that was once unthinkable of to become a law. Hopefully the people of that state had the choice of voting on it or not. We did. Through our 400 member House of Representatives, and our State Senate. And of course, our Governor signed it into law. All of the above were duly elected by the citizens of New Hampshire, so we definitly had a say in the process. |
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Post by Maxf1ex on Jun 4, 2009 18:13:50 GMT -8
So he change the law (since he had to sign a bill to do this) to make something that was once unthinkable of to become a law. Hopefully the people of that state had the choice of voting on it or not. We did. Through our 400 member House of Representatives, and our State Senate. And of course, our Governor signed it into law. All of the above were duly elected by the citizens of New Hampshire, so we definitly had a say in the process. So the people who have to live with it had no direct say in it, how sad. |
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Post by brad9883 on Jun 4, 2009 18:18:44 GMT -8
We did. Through our 400 member House of Representatives, and our State Senate. And of course, our Governor signed it into law. All of the above were duly elected by the citizens of New Hampshire, so we definitly had a say in the process. So the people who have to live with it had no direct say in it, how sad. Well, in all honesty, this changes nothing. It's not going to adversely affect anyone, just positively affect the gays who wish to marry. What sort of negativity will come of a gay marriage in the state of New Hampshire. Bear in mind, too, that the state assemblies do represent the people. |
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Post by Evan on Jun 4, 2009 18:19:00 GMT -8
Glad to see Polyamory is finally getting into the mainstream. Evan |
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