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Post by blackjohnflint on Dec 31, 2008 16:01:31 GMT -8
I'm thinking that she lives a whole lot closer to you and Tim.  Unless N4 moved to the east coast then no Or is on Christmas vacation on the East Coast. I don't think it's her anyhow. |
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Post by hatboromike on Dec 31, 2008 16:20:22 GMT -8
In all fairness, there are voices who would speak out but are afraid of the retribution in a hobby they've spent a lot of time and money and energy pursuing. I have a lot of respect and admiration for the main WG? site. Its amazing. However, I've been nothing but shocked and appalled that SOME people can't speak their mind freely on the Forum boards. Any top of the food chain person, no matter their actions, will cause dissent in the masses. Squashing that dissent, chilling speech, may be your right, but that doesn't make it right. I never understood why the people who were whining about the PF weren't simply told "Then don't go there. Don't complain to me, or you get banned yourself." Self selecting by paying money? How about self selecting by not entering a thread/forum if you can't take the heat. The Lurker, here and there. Thanks for the viewpoint! |
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Post by joeyd on Dec 31, 2008 19:45:35 GMT -8
Seems like you're now encroaching on "our place". You have the control there. Why not stay there? Because if 50% of the posts here are just to vilify me, I have a responsibility to defend myself. What a massive ego. We leave en masse, and the guy follows us here because he is so effin' paranoid. Except here, he is only a peon. Joe |
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Post by joeyd on Dec 31, 2008 19:57:05 GMT -8
What's SO bad is that the tone and vitriol in the forum got so bad EVERYWHERE, no matter who was posting what (from BOTH sides), that even when I merely tried to present a suggestion to help fix the forum, and asked for everyones' input, all I got was s-h1t on. It was never my intention to close the forum and ban people, but after that beating, I really had no other option. Like I said before, if my objective was to remove all right-winged posts and threads from the forum, I could have simply just deleted them all with a few clicks. I have never ONCE deleted any thread or post that I personally disagreed with. But for whatever reason, nobody can see the logic, and bash me with other "theories" instead. And if you go back and look (well, when you're unbanned), I didn't ban just the "Righties", I banned everyone who was slamming me for no reason.... which just happened to be the righties because THEY disagreed with ME, not because I disagreed with THEM. Big difference. If there were lefties giving me s-h1t in that thread, they would have been banned as well. So you decide to dump the whole PF because a few people got on your nerves? All you had to do was ban them permanently. You had at least 15 people (including me) willing to pay the extra $20 a year and 10 more on the fence. Over time, I'm sure that number would have grown, and I thought the charity idea was a good one. As for the people whining to you, I would say you should have done what Lurker said above; tell them "if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen", as long as the post in question was not 1) Pornography of any kind 2) Physical threat from one person to another, (which happened exactly once to my knowledge) But you chose the nuclear option and incredibly, have followed us here like a lost puppy. Joe |
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Post by joeyd on Jan 1, 2009 2:30:24 GMT -8
Let's come up with ways we can screw with Hank. The first thing that comes to mind is giving Rep Points to Banned members   I say ban Hank from this site. He can banish people with impunity from his little operation for no good reason, why can't Douglass do it just for sh__s and giggles to him to let him know how it feels to be BANNED, and don't come back no more, no mo' hit the road, jack.. and don't ya' come back no mo'. Joe |
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Post by wade on Jan 1, 2009 6:36:47 GMT -8
Ok...why no sticky at the top with the up to date rules? Because I've learned in the PF that no matter what "rules" I post, people will either (A) argue about the tiniest minutia over the exact wording of the rules instead of the actual spirit of the rules, or (B) just find ways around the rules as written and find ways to break them without really breaking them.. so what's the point? Politics in its finest form, no? |
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Post by richard on Jan 1, 2009 8:39:02 GMT -8
Seems like you're now encroaching on "our place". You have the control there. Why not stay there?
Because if 50% of the posts here are just to vilify me, I have a responsibility to defend myself.
[zsize]Like some of us had to opportunity to "defend ourselves" after finding ourselves out the door, with no follow-up explanation, a simple "because I said so" or no reason at all as the only hint as to the reason. Right....defend away... |
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Post by hank on Jan 1, 2009 9:07:17 GMT -8
Jesus joey, chill out. I'm neither paranoid or a "lost puppy."
It is just this type of hatred that I didn't want on the PF. I guess it's no surprise to see it starting here already.
I came here to attempt to smooth things over in a way that was impossible on the PF.
Like everyone else HERE, on THIS BOARD has said, attack the ideas, not the person.
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Post by Douglass on Jan 1, 2009 9:38:52 GMT -8
Let's come up with ways we can screw with Hank. The first thing that comes to mind is giving Rep Points to Banned members I say ban Hank from this site. He can banish people with impunity from his little operation for no good reason, why can't Douglass do it just for sh__s and giggles to him to let him know how it feels to be BANNED, and don't come back no more, no mo' hit the road, jack.. and don't ya' come back no mo'. Joe Because he hasnt done nothing to get banned. Relax Joe and maybe on here you can have a good conversation with him |
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Post by dib on Jan 1, 2009 11:08:59 GMT -8
Posted by commieleftyliberal I'll concede to that. But it's just more fun to have people guess my identity.
OK, I'll guess a spineless twerp with no nads who thinks it cool to lurk. Your right cll, this is fun.
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Post by scottk on Jan 1, 2009 15:13:25 GMT -8
Because I've learned in the PF that no matter what "rules" I post, people will either (A) argue about the tiniest minutia over the exact wording of the rules instead of the actual spirit of the rules, or (B) just find ways around the rules as written and find ways to break them without really breaking them.. so what's the point? Sorry, but that's about the dumbest thing I've heard in this whole fiasco. Following this faulty logic, no matter what rules you post for the main site people will (and they have) either (A) argue about the tiniest minutia over the exact wording of the rules instead of the actual spirit of the rules, or (B) just find ways around the rules as written and find ways to break them without really breaking them. It happens on WG? so why are there any rules? No, not spelling out the rules is just laziness on your part, and allows you to justify in your own mind your totally random and haphazard application of the rules that nobody knows about. It's like Animal House - a large chunk of people are on double-secret probabation but don't know it or what the next thing might be that gets you worked up. On the flip side, I will agree with and support you on your contention that there was nothing political about any of this. As you said, none of the posts were deleted, and you engaged in some of the debate yourself without any type of retribution. On the contrary, this ultimately rests on your mismanagement of the WG? forums community, and of course the PF specifically. Personally, I would suggest that you should give up all direct management of the forum community and turn it over to an expanded version of Team Aqua. You don't have the temperment for it. Also in your defense, with the exception of your desperate need to use profanity  , you've represented yourself well in this forum, and any suggestion that you be banned or should otherwise go away is ridiculous, IMO. After all, the original premise of this thread was to mess with you and your site - you've got every right to defend it and yourself to the extent you can. |
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Post by hatboromike on Jan 1, 2009 16:41:45 GMT -8
Just a few clarifications from my own perspective ... It's like Animal House - a large chunk of people are on double-secret probabation but don't know it or what the next thing might be that gets you worked up. I knew for quite some time, and made note of it more than once, that I was on DOUBLE SECRET PROBATION. But just as happened after the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor, I did not give up my quest!  ... the original premise of this thread was to mess with you and your site - you've got every right to defend it and yourself to the extent you can. Actually, the last thing I want to do is screw with the website. |
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Post by joeyd on Jan 1, 2009 20:20:25 GMT -8
Jesus joey, chill out. I'm neither paranoid or a "lost puppy." It is just this type of hatred that I didn't want on the PF. I guess it's no surprise to see it starting here already. I came here to attempt to smooth things over in a way that was impossible on the PF. Like everyone else HERE, on THIS BOARD has said, attack the ideas, not the person. Correct, don't attack the person. But you have gained a place on my iggy list only because I think your intentions in being here are only litigous..... you are looking for someone to sue whnenever "that site" is mentioned. Good luck for me though, you will hit a dry well with me. Joe Bye Forever Hank |
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Post by joseph0501 on Jan 1, 2009 20:45:42 GMT -8
Actually, the last thing I want to do is screw with the website. Agreed, and I urge everyone else, at the risk of being called a kiss arse, not to screw with the website, please! While I was dismayed at the disbanding of the PF, I never considered it part of my WG? hobby. It was just a forum that happened to be hosted by WG? And while I know some of you have quit WG? as a matter of principle, I still like to EMS away. |
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Post by hank on Jan 1, 2009 21:04:16 GMT -8
Correct, don't attack the person. But you have gained a place on my iggy list only because I think your intentions in being here are only litigous..... you are looking for someone to sue whnenever "that site" is mentioned. Good luck for me though, you will hit a dry well with me. Sue somebody? You've got to be joking. Do you know how much it costs to initiate a lawsuit? And who would I go after and why? That has to be the most ridiculous assertion I've heard yet, including all of Richard's and Mike's conspiracy theories. |
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, you've represented yourself well in this forum, and any suggestion that you be banned or should otherwise go away is ridiculous, IMO. After all, the original premise of this thread was to mess with you and your site - you've got every right to defend it and yourself to the extent you can.
