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Post by george1861 on Apr 16, 2011 16:32:56 GMT -8
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Post by jon on Apr 16, 2011 17:30:19 GMT -8
From the State that brought us immersion study of Islam & the resulting Johnny Taliban... Could you please show me the immersion study of Islam? As for Johhny Taliban, he was not exposed to Islam in school, much of it came from rap music, the film Malcolm X, and IRC chat rooms. |
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Post by jon on Apr 16, 2011 17:59:11 GMT -8
is the study of people who are naturally different somehow abhorent?
Maybe it offensive to some people's religious upbringing...good thing we don't have sharia law....wait are these fundamentalist Christians against this?
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Post by george1861 on Apr 17, 2011 7:19:05 GMT -8
From the State that brought us immersion study of Islam & the resulting Johnny Taliban... Could you please show me the immersion study of Islam? As for Johhny Taliban, he was not exposed to Islam in school, much of it came from rap music, the film Malcolm X, and IRC chat rooms. Back when J. Taliban was current news it was reported in articles that his school had immersion study of Islam in comparitive religion class. |
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Post by george1861 on Apr 17, 2011 7:21:54 GMT -8
is the study of people who are naturally different somehow abhorent? Maybe it offensive to some people's religious upbringing...good thing we don't have sharia law....wait are these fundamentalist Christians against this? Up untill it became cool for Gays to come out of the closet a couple decades ago, being Gay was secret, therefore what will the students be studying? Rumor & supposition on who might have been Gay? |
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Post by msguide on Apr 17, 2011 10:03:35 GMT -8
I think being gay is irrelevant to doing something great in history or being excellent in your field. Period. What happens in private is none of my business. Don't want to know. Don't need to know.
On this note, I do have a bit of a rant. When our kiddo was in high school we home schooled and I gave an assignment to write a short paper about an 20th century American writer. There wasn't a ton of info out there and we were at that time computer-free. Books were reserved at the library.
When the books arrived, kid started on the assignment and came to me. "Mom, I'm not sure I should read this book." I took a look, and it turns out there was a whole series of biographies about people who did great things in history. Who were also supposedly gay.
Our writer never married. Left no papers behind. There is absolutely no verifiable evidence author was gay. None. In the introduction to the biography, the author says it. "We have no evidence author was gay, but she was so we're saying so." How dumb is that? That is not only just wrong to do (if the person didn't want to be outed, then nobody has the right to do it), but it is horribly bad scholarship. If there is no evidence, then do your freaking homework and find someone who does actually and verifiably fit the agenda you are trying to promote.
Sheesh.
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Post by msguide on Apr 17, 2011 10:05:44 GMT -8
is the study of people who are naturally different somehow abhorent? Maybe it offensive to some people's religious upbringing...good thing we don't have sharia law....wait are these fundamentalist Christians against this? I didn't notice anything in the article or comments that mentioned matters of faith at all. Stick to the subject and stop acting like a Christophobe. |
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Post by Douglass on Apr 17, 2011 13:20:03 GMT -8
california has passed 7 laws on Gay and lesbian indoctrination
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Post by jon on Apr 17, 2011 17:37:06 GMT -8
is the study of people who are naturally different somehow abhorent? Maybe it offensive to some people's religious upbringing...good thing we don't have sharia law....wait are these fundamentalist Christians against this? I didn't notice anything in the article or comments that mentioned matters of faith at all. Stick to the subject and stop acting like a Christophobe. where , oh where is that victim smiley? maybe we could get a smiley up on a cross |
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Post by jon on Apr 17, 2011 17:46:26 GMT -8
I think being gay is irrelevant to doing something great in history or being excellent in your field. Period. What happens in private is none of my business. Don't want to know. Don't need to know. On this note, I do have a bit of a rant. When our kiddo was in high school we home schooled and I gave an assignment to write a short paper about an 20th century American writer. There wasn't a ton of info out there and we were at that time computer-free. Books were reserved at the library. When the books arrived, kid started on the assignment and came to me. "Mom, I'm not sure I should read this book." I took a look, and it turns out there was a whole series of biographies about people who did great things in history. Who were also supposedly gay. Our writer never married. Left no papers behind. There is absolutely no verifiable evidence author was gay. None. In the introduction to the biography, the author says it. "We have no evidence author was gay, but she was so we're saying so." How dumb is that? That is not only just wrong to do (if the person didn't want to be outed, then nobody has the right to do it), but it is horribly bad scholarship. If there is no evidence, then do your freaking homework and find someone who does actually and verifiably fit the agenda you are trying to promote. Sheesh. you claim being gay is irrelevant, yet you don't think they are entitled to the same rights you have.  As far as what the California proposal is or is not about, is not outing people through history, it is meant to describe their struggle and that despite great hurdles, hatred, and bigotry, another group has managed to overcome oppression.The segregation, their own ghettos, the pink triangle that the gay community uses to self identify was a symbol used during the holocaust, the Jews had the yellow Star of David, the homosexuals had a pink triangle (there were other colors too). |
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Post by msguide on Apr 17, 2011 18:12:10 GMT -8
I know you are being deliberately provocative, jon. Go right ahead. I think a lot of places already teach what groups were targeted by Nazis. They don't need a law to do it as apparently California does. '
I would strongly suggest that if you plan to keep calling other bigots or whatever, you should stop with the Christophobia.
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Post by jon on Apr 17, 2011 18:22:04 GMT -8
I know you are being deliberately provocative, jon. Go right ahead. I think a lot of places already teach what groups were targeted by Nazis. They don't need a law to do it as apparently California does. ' I would strongly suggest that if you plan to keep calling other bigots or whatever, you should stop with the Christophobia. Did I call anyone a bigot? |
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