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Post by Maxf1ex on Jan 10, 2009 3:44:04 GMT -8
I think that people dont give kids enough credit in their ability to understand the difference between fantasy and reality. I loved books when I was a kid and knew the difference. If there is any doubt, thats where the parents come in. Our local book store has a display ever year where they have specials on "banned books" Its interesting and sad to see all the books that at one time were on hit lists. Due to some adults who I have dealt with in life, I do not see it as not giving the kids credit for having a brain. But as the adults who try and impose there view on the subject matter. Harry Potter = magic, bad. Government control = free food, good Magic = Not living in the real world, bad Free food without working = Magic ?? --------------------------------------------------- For those who understand, they see the pattern. For those who do not understand, ?
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Post by Douglass on Jan 10, 2009 6:00:21 GMT -8
I think that people dont give kids enough credit in their ability to understand the difference between fantasy and reality. I loved books when I was a kid and knew the difference. If there is any doubt, thats where the parents come in. Our local book store has a display ever year where they have specials on "banned books" Its interesting and sad to see all the books that at one time were on hit lists. A lot of kids dont know the difference heck i know a few young adults that probably dont know
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Post by richard on Jan 10, 2009 8:20:13 GMT -8
My daughter has read all the Harry Potter books...we made sure early on to let her know that it was all fantasy. We stressed for her to pay attention to the struggle of good vs. evil more than the wizardry and magic.
As someone told my wife, "Didn't you watch 'Bewitched' when you were little?"
It's all how you perceive it.
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Post by graceful1 on Jan 10, 2009 14:00:17 GMT -8
The only place I know of HP books being banned is in a Catholic School in Massachusetts. I do know that one of the country's mega-churches, Southeast Christian, they tell parents not to let them read Harry Potter books, because of the association of witchcraft with Satanism. By the way, that's a fundamentalist ("evangelical") congregation, not a Catholic parish.
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Post by graceful1 on Jan 10, 2009 14:02:03 GMT -8
Harry Potter = magic, bad. Government control = free food, good Magic = Not living in the real world, bad Free food without working = Magic ?? --------------------------------------------------- For those who understand, they see the pattern. For those who do not understand, ? I have never heard of anyone banning Harry Potter because they saw a socialist or Marxist message -- only a Satanist or anti-Christian one.
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Post by graceful1 on Jan 10, 2009 14:04:35 GMT -8
I mentioned The Wizard of Oz (and other books in the series) as a favorite book to ban. Some of it has to do with racist stuff in there, but some reasons are pretty lame and have to do with some kind of general message the book series is supposed to give kids. thewizardofoz.info/faq02.html#20
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Post by graceful1 on Jan 10, 2009 16:52:09 GMT -8
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Post by Mr. Ed on Jan 10, 2009 19:10:09 GMT -8
Exactly. That is sort of what I meant. That some adults don't even want to give the kids a chance to read the books because of their own preconceptions. Its really bad when its a group that is trying to impose their opinions on others... when they may not even have children themselves. I want to say to those self imposed morality police: " I know my child better than you do... I'll decide what I think my child can read thank you very much" Due to some adults who I have dealt with in life, I do not see it as not giving the kids credit for having a brain. But as the adults who try and impose there view on the subject matter.Harry Potter = magic, bad. Government control = free food, good Magic = Not living in the real world, bad Free food without working = Magic ??--------------------------------------------------- For those who understand, they see the pattern. For those who do not understand, ?
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Post by disasterchick on Jan 10, 2009 23:14:53 GMT -8
I think that people dont give kids enough credit in their ability to understand the difference between fantasy and reality. I loved books when I was a kid and knew the difference. If there is any doubt, thats where the parents come in. Our local book store has a display ever year where they have specials on "banned books" Its interesting and sad to see all the books that at one time were on hit lists. I have yet to read the last book or maybe the last two. I found the Harry Potter series really dealing with other social issues and were very well done. I think they do a great job of getting people to use their imaginations which is something that isn't used much anymore.
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Post by Mr. Ed on Jan 11, 2009 19:43:15 GMT -8
I have yet to read the last book or maybe the last two. I found the Harry Potter series really dealing with other social issues and were very well done. I think they do a great job of getting people to use their imaginations which is something that isn't used much anymore. Thats one of the reasons I like books. There is no way a move can compete with your imagination. When you read the story, your mind comes up with images of how you see the world and the characters. No movie can ever do justice to how your mind sees that world you created.
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Post by googoodan on Jan 12, 2009 2:22:52 GMT -8
The only place I know of HP books being banned is in a Catholic School in Massachusetts. I do know that one of the country's mega-churches, Southeast Christian, they tell parents not to let them read Harry Potter books, because of the association of witchcraft with Satanism. By the way, that's a fundamentalist ("evangelical") congregation, not a Catholic parish. and there is a difference between "banned" and "not recommended"
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Post by disasterchick on Jan 12, 2009 9:30:55 GMT -8
I do know that one of the country's mega-churches, Southeast Christian, they tell parents not to let them read Harry Potter books, because of the association of witchcraft with Satanism. By the way, that's a fundamentalist ("evangelical") congregation, not a Catholic parish. and there is a difference between "banned" and "not recommended" I really haven't seen "not recommend" but I have seen "challenged".
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Post by disasterchick on Jan 12, 2009 9:37:40 GMT -8
I created a poll, but it didn't put my entire question in there and won't allow me to edit.
Would you be interested in participating in a "controversal" book discussion? We would select a book and give about a month to read and then have a seperate thread about the choosen books. By doing this if you didn't get in on the beginning you could still join in. If we have 1/2 of those interested in one book and 1/2 interested in another then we could have two threads going.
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Post by Maxf1ex on Jan 12, 2009 10:51:37 GMT -8
I created a poll, but it didn't put my entire question in there and won't allow me to edit.
Would you be interested in participating in a "controversal" book discussion? We would select a book and give about a month to read and then have a seperate thread about the choosen books. By doing this if you didn't get in on the beginning you could still join in. If we have 1/2 of those interested in one book and 1/2 interested in another then we could have two threads going. Sounds like work to me. But if you really want to, you could just send a message to Douglass and ask if he would open a board for you to do books in. Of course it would need a Moderator to help keep it with with in guide lines. And there are many guidelines or ToS (Terms of Service) to the outfit which hosts this forum. While I am not much of a reader of books (except SciFi), it would give some people a second home. Much like sports has done for a few.
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Post by disasterchick on Jan 12, 2009 12:06:46 GMT -8
Sounds like work to me. But if you really want to, you could just send a message to Douglass and ask if he would open a board for you to do books in. Of course it would need a Moderator to help keep it with with in guide lines. And there are many guidelines or ToS (Terms of Service) to the outfit which hosts this forum. While I am not much of a reader of books (except SciFi), it would give some people a second home. Much like sports has done for a few. It wouldn't necessairly have to be a lot of work. I like the idea of a Reader's Forum to discuss books that make you think a little bit. It would give us an opportunity to recommend or not to recommend a book to others.
I took a liturature class and we read Pride and Prejudice, A Farewell to Arms, and a sci-fi book. It wouldn't have to be a banned book, but I think it should be something that challenged an idea you had, made you want to learn more about something, or feel that this book somehow altered a piece of your life by reading it. Maybe in a biography you walked away understanding someone more. It could be something as simple as "Everybody Poops" to "The Canterberry Tales".
I wouldn't see where it would violate any TOS any more than quoting most of an article and I have seen that done many times in this forum/message board.
I know I want to read some different kinds of books than just chick lit and sometimes if there are others willing to join you and talk a bit about it - that makes it much more fun.
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