"Gun Runner/Fast & furious

[george1861]

F&F figure "double dipping" @ J P Morgan!

washingtonexaminer.com/fast-and-furious-figure-double-dips-at-jpmorgan/article/2505669#.UDZBYtaPW6B

[jayohen]

I don't like him-never have and I and I hope he leaves when our President starts his second term, but AG Holder wasn't in on that fast & furious business. news.yahoo.com/justice-dept-faulted-gun-trafficking-operation-181210695.html

[jayohen]

“It is unfortunate that some were so quick to make baseless accusations before they possessed the facts about these operations – accusations that turned out to be without foundation and that have caused a great deal of unnecessary harm and confusion,” Holder said. “I hope today’s report acts as a reminder of the dangers of adopting as fact unsubstantiated conclusions before an investigation of the circumstances is completed.”
-Attorney General of the United States Eric Holder, September 19, 2012

[george1861]

Then why invoke Executive Privilige?

[george1861]

news.yahoo.com/more-fast-furious-guns-linked-mexican-crimes-170114594--abc-news-politics.html

Even more F&F guns linked to crimes in Mexico.

[jayohen]

Oct 1, 2012 13:57:19 GMT -8 george1861 said:

news.yahoo.com/more-fast-furious-guns-linked-mexican-crimes-170114594--abc-news-politics.html

Even more F&F guns linked to crimes in Mexico.

[Maxf1ex]

Oct 1, 2012 20:20:34 GMT -8 jayohen said:

Oct 1, 2012 13:57:19 GMT -8 george1861 said:

news.yahoo.com/more-fast-furious-guns-linked-mexican-crimes-170114594--abc-news-politics.html

Even more F&F guns linked to crimes in Mexico.

Yep, dead horse. The government (as it has done many times in the past) allowing one crime to be committed in hopes of stopping future crimes, which just leads to more crimes when the government loses control.

[george1861]

Oct 1, 2012 20:20:34 GMT -8 jayohen said:

Maybe, then we have the Univision interview with Obama that covered F&F & they weren't very happy about the facts of the situation or Obama's cover up of the story. This might have an effect on the hispanic voting block that Obama though he had locked up with the immigration E.O. The MSM hasn't covered F&F in depth, probably a lot of hispanics hadn't even heard of F&F before this interview. Lets see where the ripples go.

[george1861]

www.opposingviews.com/i/politics/univision-gives-obama-first-serious-grilling-drug-war-holder-fast-and-furious

Forgot the linky!

[msguide]

This administration is all about the coverups. Now I'm going to make a girl joke and ask if they do one in stripes?

[george1861]

www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57553456/house-panel-let-courts-decide-fast-and-furious/
Commitee wants Courts to get involved

[Maxflex]

Nov 24, 2012 13:39:30 GMT -8 george1861 said:

www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57553456/house-panel-let-courts-decide-fast-and-furious/
Committee wants Courts to get involved

"Labeling a dispute 'political' is not a legal argument; it is a talking point masquerading - poorly - as an argument," said the filing for the committee chaired by Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif. "Federal courts have been deciding cases regarding the executive's compliance with subpoenas since the earliest days of the Republic."

In the dispute over Operation Fast and Furious, President Barack Obama has invoked what is known as executive privilege. The Republican-run House in June voted Holder in contempt of Congress for refusing to turn over subpoenaed records that might explain what led the Justice Department to reverse course after initially denying that federal agents had used a controversial tactic called gun-walking in the failed law enforcement operation.

But ... but ..but I though the 3 branches of government were equal?

So, if the White House wants to claim executive privilege, is that not the same as a person saying, "I refuse to answer, on the grounds that the answer would incriminate me." Making them look guilty?

[Maxflex]

Oct 15, 2012 19:32:09 GMT -8 msguide said:

This administration is all about the coverups. Now I'm going to make a girl joke and ask if they do one in stripes?

Hum ... Government in stripes ... sounds about right. ;D

[Maxflex]

Sept 19, 2012 21:03:48 GMT -8 jayohen said:

“It is unfortunate that some were so quick to make baseless accusations before they possessed the facts about these operations – accusations that turned out to be without foundation and that have caused a great deal of unnecessary harm and confusion,” Holder said. “I hope today’s report acts as a reminder of the dangers of adopting as fact unsubstantiated conclusions before an investigation of the circumstances is completed.”
-Attorney General of the United States Eric Holder, September 19, 2012

The report found no evidence that Holder was informed about the Fast and Furious operation before Jan. 31, 2011, or that the attorney general was told about the much-disputed gun-walking tactic employed by the ATF.

Looks like Holder really should clean house if his staff does not keep him inform.

[Maxflex]

Report: Security Clearances Revoked, Criminal Charges Pending For ATF Fast and Furious Officials

Washington D.C. - According to credible ATF sources, officials heavily involved in Operation Fast and Furious and named as partially responsible for the program's failure by Department of Justice Inspector General Michael Horowitz and the House Oversight Committee have been stripped of their government security clearances while some have been fired, demoted, and transferred. Criminal charges are also reportedly pending.

Former ATF Special Agent in Charge of the Phoenix Field Division Bill Newell, former ATF Special Agent in Charge of Operations in the West Bill McMahon and former Assistant Special Agent in Charge of the Phoenix Field Division George Gillett have been fired while former Assistant Special Agent in Charge Jim Needles and Field Supervisor David Voth have been demoted. Hope McAllister, the lead case agent for Fast and Furious, has been put on leave and transferred out of Phoenix according to reports. McMahon and ATF came under heavy fire just a few months ago after it was revealed McMahon had been receiving ATF paid leave while pulling a six figure salary from J.P. Morgan, the same bank that owns the bureau's credit cards.

In addition to involvement in Operation Fast and Furious, the consequences for these officials come as a result of their handling of the Jay Dobyns' arson case. All are expected to receive full retirement benefits.

The ATF Public Affairs Division did not return calls for comment. The Department of Justice Inspector General's Office said they would get back to Townhall with a comment "sometime next week."