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Post by Douglass on Jul 3, 2009 6:28:19 GMT -8
action.afa.net/Detail.aspx?id=2147484993Writing for the online version of the 'Times of London,' columnist Matthew Parris describes a trip he made just before Christmas to the African country of Malawi, where he had lived as a boy. Now a self-described 'confirmed atheist,' Parris was moved and inspired by the work of Christians there. It confounded him, confused him and "embarrassed my growing belief that there is no God." How? Click above to read Proof that even athiest can believe and change.
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Post by richard on Jul 10, 2009 3:16:32 GMT -8
He hasn't come right out and said he's no longer an athiest, but at least it's a start...
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Post by joeyd on Jul 13, 2009 5:43:38 GMT -8
action.afa.net/Detail.aspx?id=2147484993Writing for the online version of the 'Times of London,' columnist Matthew Parris describes a trip he made just before Christmas to the African country of Malawi, where he had lived as a boy. Now a self-described 'confirmed atheist,' Parris was moved and inspired by the work of Christians there. It confounded him, confused him and "embarrassed my growing belief that there is no God." How? Click above to read Proof that even athiest can believe and change. I am genuinely moved and inspired by the time, money and even life and limb that these Christian Missionaries devote to the Third World. We have several groups of Lutheran mainline missionaries that fly out my airport regularly to the most ungodly (pun intended) shi'tholes in the world to bring medicine and teach English etc., and all at their own expense. And they have no ulterior motives, except maybe heathen conversion. Still doesn't magically make me believe in a God or gods. Joe |
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Post by jeffro on Oct 28, 2009 19:57:03 GMT -8
They would have my respect and gratitude if they did such generous things without putting a price on their "gifts". Exploiting the needs of the hungry and homeless in order to sell their message is far from charitable.
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Post by richard on Oct 30, 2009 12:56:16 GMT -8
They would have my respect and gratitude if they did such generous things without putting a price on their "gifts". Exploiting the needs of the hungry and homeless in order to sell their message is far from charitable. I don't know of any missionary who would withhold help to anyone until they convert. I don't know where this fallacy comes from, but it just isn't true. |
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Post by joeyd on Oct 31, 2009 17:01:01 GMT -8
They would have my respect and gratitude if they did such generous things without putting a price on their "gifts". Exploiting the needs of the hungry and homeless in order to sell their message is far from charitable. Good point, never looked at it this way, indeed they are offering only a quid pro quo. In the end, if the Third World savages don't convert to Jesus-ism, they are just as condemned to hell by the christian nuts as I am because I am atheist. Joe |
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Post by Douglass on Nov 1, 2009 7:22:47 GMT -8
They would have my respect and gratitude if they did such generous things without putting a price on their "gifts". Exploiting the needs of the hungry and homeless in order to sell their message is far from charitable. Most of them dont i have known a few missionariaries that were not able to go on scheduled trips because they didnt raise the necessary funds they had to reschedule months later |
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Post by richard on Nov 1, 2009 14:30:40 GMT -8
They would have my respect and gratitude if they did such generous things without putting a price on their "gifts". Exploiting the needs of the hungry and homeless in order to sell their message is far from charitable.
Good point, never looked at it this way, indeed they are offering only a quid pro quo. In the end, if the Third World savages don't convert to Jesus-ism, they are just as condemned to hell by the christian nuts as I am because I am atheist.
JoeAnd still, do you know any Christians who would refuse to help you out if you needed it simply because you're an atheist? |
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Post by joeyd on Nov 2, 2009 14:48:46 GMT -8
One for sure; she is your classic Church Lady who talks about "Satan and his helpers" all the time. I am one of his helpers in her eyes. We are nominal friends, I guess, but as to helping me, it depends on your definition of help. If I were broken down on the side of the highway she would pick me up and take me home. She also recommended someone else for a promotion over me who was frankly only fair at his job over me. Reason? He buys all the Jesus stuff.
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Post by richard on Nov 2, 2009 16:31:41 GMT -8
One for sure; she is your classic Church Lady who talks about "Satan and his helpers" all the time. I am one of his helpers in her eyes. We are nominal friends, I guess, but as to helping me, it depends on your definition of help. If I were broken down on the side of the highway she would pick me up and take me home. She also recommended someone else for a promotion over me who was frankly only fair at his job over me. Reason? He buys all the Jesus stuff.
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Post by joeyd on Nov 2, 2009 17:23:06 GMT -8
She is one of millions. The difference with her is that she is completely upfront with the Satan thing. A younger girl wanted to put up a few Halloween decorations this year in the breakroom: you might guess the result--- no go on the Halloween stuff because ONE person said they were "Satanic" and the boss didn't want to be bothered with an EEOC lawsuit so guess who quashed Free Speech? The one old Christian bag who vetoed what 23 other people had no problem with. So clam up the next time some "Lib-ruhl" has an issue with crosses, nativity scenes and baby jesus statues in the workplace during Christmas.
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Post by Douglass on Nov 2, 2009 20:19:02 GMT -8
She is one of millions. The difference with her is that she is completely upfront with the Satan thing. A younger girl wanted to put up a few Halloween decorations this year in the breakroom: you might guess the result--- no go on the Halloween stuff because ONE person said they were "Satanic" and the boss didn't want to be bothered with an EEOC lawsuit so guess who quashed Free Speech? The one old Christian bag who vetoed what 23 other people had no problem with. So clam up the next time some "Lib-ruhl" has an issue with crosses, nativity scenes and baby jesus statues in the workplace during Christmas. Joe I dont see a Lawsuit coming from Halloween unless she tried to put up something and the boss rebuffed her |
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Post by richard on Nov 3, 2009 4:10:15 GMT -8
Nice deflection, Joe.
Now...can you give us any instance of Christians withholding any type of help from someone unless that person "converts"?
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Post by joeyd on Nov 3, 2009 13:54:53 GMT -8
Nice deflection, Joe. Now...can you give us any instance of Christians withholding any type of help from someone unless that person "converts"? Not here, but jeffro says he has heard of episodes of just this in the 3rd World. Joe |
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Post by richard on Nov 4, 2009 4:28:05 GMT -8
Nice deflection, Joe. Now...can you give us any instance of Christians withholding any type of help from someone unless that person "converts"? Not here, but jeffro says he has heard of episodes of just this in the 3rd World. Joe So I guess that means your accusations are baseless. |
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